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Arizona QSO Party   2011   Oct 8   Comment Summary

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N4JF   Single Op QRP   1,2522011-10-09 08:06:57

W7YS   Single Op LP   1,9122011-10-09 11:59:26
WØPAN   Single Op LP   3,6702011-10-09 16:37:07
Had a blast on 10 Meters which was open the whole QSO Party. Disappointed with
the participation.
VA3GKO   Single Op LP   4522011-10-09 17:27:51
Due to working all weekend spent 1.5 hours sunday looking for arizona.Nice to
hear 10 meters open. See you all again next year. va3gko. Greg.
KK4CIS   Single Op LP   702011-10-09 19:07:04
This was a fun contest. Saturday was plagued by t-storms rolling through Miami
all day long. Sunday my schedule was limited, but at least the bands were
working well. Many thanks to the great AZ operators, particularly the
mobile/portable stations working on county lines.

VE7CV   Single Op LP   7,7562011-10-09 19:55:47
worked W7SA for bonus points.
No 10 meter contacts here, heard California and Texas but no Arizona on 10.
Had a S4 noise level in that direction on 10 meters.
NI7R   Single Op HP   3,1522011-10-09 20:16:26
What a bust. Poor participation from Arizona stations. An exchange that was
ridiculous, not to mention being totally incompatible with the PA QSO Party.
Apparently, the organizers were more concerned with Arizona's centennial than
having a good contest. It is really sad when Arizona stations can't even
participate in their own QSO party, but, then again, I can't blame them because
of the stupid rules. The exchange should be the same for both in-state and
out-of-state stations. There should be separate categories for at least CW, SSB
and Mixed. The exchange should be compatible with any other QSO parties going
the same weekend. Our Arizona QSO Party could be at least as popular as the
Washington State Salmon Run (a state of similar size) with proper organization
and support. In the spirit of a bad Outlaw, I say we hang the organizers from
the highest tree. The Arizona QSO Party should be organized by true contesters.
I would like to see the AZ QSO Party sponsored by the Arizona Outlaws Contest
Club (AOCC) with the full support of AOCC members perhaps by 2013. I am willing
to help.
KU7Y   Single Op LP   1,8482011-10-09 20:16:49
Didn't have much time to spend and much of that was trying to get the RF out of
the shack! Could only run 25 watts on 10, 15 and 20. Ran a whole 50 watts on
40! Didn't seem like much activity but that gave me a chance to have several
short chats with non contest stations, so maybe that's a good thing! This was
my first AZ QP but I'll be back next year! Ron, KU7Y
N6MU   Single Op LP   6,3402011-10-09 20:43:49
Way too close to AZ to take advantage of the new band/mode mult rules. Oh well.

John, N6MU TS-570 & 4BTV
WØBH   Single Op LP   1542011-10-09 21:11:49
Score includes 100 bonus points for contacting W7SA.

I was camping this weekend without a radio, so just got on for a short time on
Sunday afternoon while also working the PAQP. The unusual AZQP exchange
actually matched up with the PAQP because both were "numbers" so I could use
the same logging program, but had to remember to send my name instead of a

Always nice to work my friends in AZ!

73, Bob, w0bh
K7WP   Single Op LP   7202011-10-09 23:17:16
FT1000MP/ Force 12 6BA @ 70'/ Sloper/ N1MM

Many things changed my plans for participation in this one, unfortunately, so
was only able to get on Sat. evening. Activity at that time was limited, so
quit after an hour with hopes of getting on Sunday afternoon for a while, which
turned out not to be possible. Definitely was not sold on the exchange.

73, John
Arizona Outlaws
N7MAL   Single Op LP   4,5242011-10-10 00:25:17
I have nothing but negative comments regarding this weekend so I'll keep it
within Arizona. Thanks to all who participated.
NA6E(WT6P)   Single Op LP   2,5922011-10-10 05:55:25
Well, it seems the format of the exchange was not popular with anyone since all
but 3 Qs didn't know about the contest. With the other 'tests going on, the
exchange was a real mess. On digital, I ended up sending my AZQP exchange, a
request for name and state as well as my Grid Square for that test!

Was a busy couple hours until I lost all audio out of the K3. So some shop
time for the rig, rest for me and back to contesting in a few weeks!

Hope the sponsoring club makes a few adjustments for next year!

Mark - WT6P
Kingman, AZ
K7LY   Single Op HP   55,2662011-10-10 08:03:07
It was nice to see 10M producing again. Less mults and but more Q's resulted in
same score as 2011 for this SSB only effort. Had fun despite being required to
use a strange and very awkward exchange number. Spent a lot of time trying to
explain it. Don't think many were even aware of the AZQP and its exchanges.
Still, I had fun and thanks for all the Q's.
W7KAM   Single Op LP   6602011-10-10 08:58:21
16 QSO's X (7X5) = 560 + 100 bonus = 660
K7DPS   Cnty Exped QRP   1,2242011-10-10 14:05:50
Never having done any QRP operations as a group, we decided to do a Multi-Multi
QRP Expedition at a temporary location using temporary antennas. Didn't know
exactly what to expect but are happy with end result for this first effort -
lot's to learn and improve on.

Thanks to everyone for pulling our signal out of the noise!


John, WA7NWL
KK7AC   Single Op HP   55,5072011-10-10 15:56:19
I thought I would get better Q rates this year, but did not. Down about 90 or so
from last year. 20 on the first day was pretty soft, but picked up on Sunday. 10
was the only real highlight. DX stations seemed better this year, but are always
light during stateside QSO parties.

Maybe the cumbersome exchange scared some off? It's hard to get the "normal"
amateur radio community to participate even in search and pounce mode, but the
"weird" exchange caused some people to think that they could not work me or
needed to exchange some type of serial number? Nearly every single person sent
me their name and some sort of serial. I had to pry a signal report out of most
which slowed the rythm for good runs. Got W7SA for 100 pt. bounus, bagged 10
counties and I think I got all 50 states.

Memorable moment: Working Dan, K7IA and comparing notes Saturday night on 75.
Also hearing Gary, KE7DX in Greenlee -I guess he was portable? Suprised by how
many AZ I worked on 20 meters.... when they called I had to double take to make
sure that I was not on 40 for the past hour!

Go CARDS!! (baseball)
K4BAI   Single Op HP   2,6532011-10-10 18:18:23
FT1000MP, Alpha 78, 1 KW, TH6DXX, dipole for 40M, inverted vee for 80M. Thanks
for all QSOs. Not particularly fond of the contest exchange. 73, John, K4BAI.
K7FA   Cnty Exped LP   148,9742011-10-11 22:26:21
Rig: K3
Ant: Buckmaster OCF @ 37-ft AGL, 15m Inverted Vee @ 33-ft AGL
Sfw: N1MM-Logger V11.10.0

SUMMARY: Propagation was great, QRN was very low, Bands were hot.
99 percent time spent Running; no SO2V (at most 6 contacts with S&P).
88 percent contacts made on Phone.
Bonus Station worked: W7SA
AZ Counties not worked (4): APACHE, GRAHAM, SANTA CRUZ, YUMA
Arizona Stations worked (30)
Arizona Outlaw Club Members worked (8):

Began on CW, and had planned to use mostly that mode . . .
twice as many points for CW, Right? Answer: Nope, Guess again!
After two hours on 20m and 15m at very-low rates (38 per hour),
sequential QSO numbers being issued to me illustrated that even casual
S&P PAQP CW Contesters were doing far better than me (and I was Running).

Most stations had no idea what the Arizona exchange was about.
As an Arizona County Line Station, my sent exchange was especially long,
and several CW operators simply sent a question mark, gave up, and QSY'ed.
Clearly, a course correction was needed.

I remembered an old motto: Tell them what you're going to tell them,
then tell them. Finally, tell them what you told them! I switched to
Phone because a CW Op. would never stick around for that nonsense.

Did it work? Yep! Each time my rate began to fall, I explained that
Arizona was celebrating it's 100-year Centennial, and that working
a station on an Arizona County Line was a pretty big deal. Just be
patient, and we could get through my painfully-long exchange.
Whenever that approach lost appeal, the County Hunter Pitch, or
other another approach was used.

Donkey Serenade:
Lack of sleep began to impair my efficiency, especially by the
second day of the contest. Donkeys have developed loud vocalizations,
("bray") which help keep them in contact with other donkeys over
wide spaces of the desert. Unfortunately, my sleep was minimal
because of the nearby donkey vocalizations (enhanced by a full moon
during donkey mating season).

Since the AZQP is a Domestic Contest, I was surprised that 79 DX
stations in 22 different countries contacted me. (Mostly
Asia, Oceania, South America, and a few Europe).

Following an explanation, some DX appeared to understand some of
the Arizona Exchange (either the date or my the County location).
Actually, few stations (DX or Domestic) cared about the exchange.
Interest was more about a signal report, or to tell me about an
antenna, a trip, or that a relative once lived in Arizona!

Thanks for your patience, and your contacts. 73, Tom
K7IA   Cnty Exped LP   121,5602011-10-11 22:58:51
Single op county line (Coconino-Navajo Counties), low power, grid DM44.

Preparation for this event began in late August, when wife, Erin, and I took a
day trip over to last year's AZQP and 7QP county line site to survey the damage
from the HUGH man-caused forest fire in Arizona late last spring. Repports
indicated that although the forest damage was very widespread, it was patchy in
nature, with many islands of normal timber surviving in a wasteland of complete
destruction. We wondered if our productive county line site was an "island" or
worse. Alas, while last events' trees remained standing, they were so scorched
that they were no longer green, representing a real danger of personal injury
from falling as they slowly rotted away. Besides, the area was closed by the
Forest Service.

On to Plan B: find another county line and activate a couple of different
Arizona counties. I poured over Forest Service charts, topographical maps, and
Google Earth for hours and found a number of possibilities. I picked off
coordinates of a half dozen in Arizona's Mogollon Rim country (pronounced
"moggie-own"). The Rim is tens of miles in length and runs generally
east-west. It is a sharp edge where terrain drops suddenly to elevations
2-3000 feet lower. While not as spectacular as Arizona's Grand Canyon (what
is?), the vistas are magnificent. At Rim level, the elevation is about 7500
feet, and the vegetation is mostly Ponderosa Pine, Juniper (up to 30 feet
tall), Aspen, and scrub Oak. It is home to the largest stand of Ponderosa
Pines in the world. Hence my interest: tall trees for wire antennas and
favorable terrain for propagation.

NOAA Weather predictions were not favorable, but we were committed to going.
Predicted were strong winds, rain, and 10% chance of snow flurries on
Wednesday--Friday before the event weekend and warm sunshine on Sat-Sunday of
the event. Well, we've had bad portable ops wx before, so what could be worse
than the past? Ha!

We left home on Tuesday afternoon and arrived at the closest of the Google
Earth sites I surveyed at noon on Wednesday. Except for a lone horse grazing
among the pines, we had the place to ourselves. That was the friendliest horse
we have ever encountered anywhere! He followed us around as we surveyed the
various sites to set up camp and surveyed the available trees for wire
antennas. We even wondered if he would allow us to put up antennas, but once
he determined that unlike the others who have camped in the area, we had
nothing tasty to offer him, he wandered off not to be seen again. We attempted
shooting fishing line into treetops with the trusty slingshot, but it was far
too windy (and too cold) to put the line anywhere near the desired spots, so
Wednesday was a bust.

The torrential rains began sometime on Wednesday night and continued through
Thursday. Wished we had a rain gauge. At daybreak, the entire area was a
loblolly of mud, but we were on rocky soil with a good bottom and on a high
point where drainage was good. Late on Thursday afternoon, we got a 40m vee up
at about 50 feet between rain squalls.

Friday morning broke with cold temps (mid 30's). gusty winds, and without a
cloud in the sky so we got the other antennas up after about five hours of
work. I've never had so many failed attempts at getting a fishing line into
acceptable positions for subsequent hauls of dacron rope. Until that day, I
had thought that cold slingshot elastic tubing would have more zip than when
warm. Not so! The best I could do in those temps/winds was 50 feet, compared
to the usual 65 feet.

Ten to 15 minutes after the antennas were up (but not tested) it began snowing.
Fortunately, the total accumulation was only about 0.5 to 0.75 inches, and even
before sundown, warmer temps melted it off.

Saturday and Sunday were beautiful--cloudless, windless, and warm days (in the
50's). But we no longer had the place to ourselves, for swarms of people in
RVs arrived with their noise-making generators, ATV's, and "quads." Where did
they come from?? "Fall Break." What's that?? Some youngsters came over to
inspect the antenna farm, but they didn't hang around for an invitation to ham

homebrew Moxon Rectangles for 20 and 15m
vees for 40 & 80m
vertical wire plus Smarttuner for 10m and backup

This was my third AZQP, and it was by far the slowest. As usual, I had my
hour-by-hour rate sheet from last year handy, but from the first hour I was
behind last year's tally. Of course, I wondered why: antennas lower than
usual? steady S5 noise level on 20 & 15, peaking to S9 and occasionally to 10
over? generally weak signals on Rx despite dozens of reports from others
claiming I was "20 over" had the K3's Rx gone sour? tricky and awkward QSO
exchange this year--did it scare folks off? heavy penetration by and extended
hours of the PAQP?

I've been suspicious about the K3 Rx for the past six months and have talked to
Rene at Elecraft about it, so I'm going to accept his invitation to send it to
him for a tune up and for any hardware mods I haven't yet made. After all,
it's s/n 388, and it will come back like brand new.

QSO Parties can benefit each other by providing additional activity--witness
the weekend of the 7th Call Area QP, New England QP, and Indiana QP all on the
same weekend. In fact, to accomodate how busy that weekend in May is for all
operators, N1MM Logger can log all three QPs in a single datafile for those
"out of state" ops. Unfortunately, such wasn't the case this past weekend.
Most of the PAQP ops were unaware that there was another QP on the air. While
all of the PA SSB ops were happy to give their names (when asked) for the AZQP
exchange, a few CW ops refused to do so, stating that it wasn't required for
the PAQP. I created a second log for PAQP CW contacts, but after working only
eleven running ops, most with no names for the "Note" field, I gave up--a real
blow to this CW op! I manually kept track of my outgoing serial numbers
(pencil & paper) for all PAQP ops that I worked either in Run or S&P mode. For
PAQP ops who answered my CQ, I gave them both their needed exchange followed by
the AZ exchange--but I nearly always had to ask for a name, which was not a
great problem. The PAQP has been on the air for far longer than the AZQP, so I
understand all of the above. It appears that Arizona and Pennsylvania will be
sharing the same QP weekend for many years to come, so I think it is time for
the sponsors of the AZQP and the PAQP to get together, alert their operators
through their respective rules to the presence of the other QP, explain the
advantages of a second QP sharing the spectrum, and even point out each other's
QSO exchanges.

Regarding the AZQP exchange this year, it was certainly different. Some posts
said "awkward" and "confusing," but this AZQP is getting the jump on 2012, the
100th anniversary of Arizona statehood (the Valentine state, Feb 14, 1912).
Perhaps it was my memories of 8th grade Arizona civics class at dear old
Mansfeld Junior High in Tucson, because I really enjoyed reviewing the list of
important dates (years) of important events in Arizona history and picking one
that I thought to be important (1848). Now that the dust has settled, I'll be
taking a look at the years the other AZ ops have picked--not all were 1912.
Naturally, a lot of non-AZ, non-PA were mystified by the AZ
exchange--especially in the last couple of hours on Sunday. Most offered
serial numbers, etc. At times I wished I had programmed a macro key .wav file
to say "name and state for the AZQP," but that would have been far too
mechanical and impersonal for ops who just wanted to operate a dozen or so AZ
ops. A few ops were amazed by my serial number of 1848 so early in the
contest, so that began a chat and a little history lesson about what happened
that year and why I thought it important. After all, it was supposed to be a
"party," no?

So I say Bravo Zulu and hat's off to Catalina Radio Club for this year's

As they say, thanks for the QSOs, but this is heartfelt for me, because I had
to ask for so many repeats. My receiver simply wasn't working well, and most
of the signals were just above the noise levels I mentioned above. I'm certain
that with my reported "20 over" signals, the ops at the other end rightly
thought I was copying the same. I "partied" with many ops who seemed
interested in Arizona history lessons at the 8th grade level. Some memorable
chats include KK7AC, Andy, in Alpine, AZ (Apache County) about the Arizona fire
that threatened his house instead of merely destroying my county line site;
W3TDF, Ray, who is in his mid-80's and was just completing the PAQP and who
lives in the town adjacent to where wife Erin was born. I should have put Erin
on the air instead of being the QSP, but both Erin and Ray enjoyed it immensely.
WB4PWZ, Steve--an interesting and enjoyable chat about Moxon Rectangles, and
WA1GS, Guy--another baseball fan who had much to say about the MLB playoffs in
general and the Yankees in particular (for example, with Yankee wealth, why not
a stadium with a dome--25 rainouts in 2011).

Yep, this one was a party. Thanks!

73, dan, k7ia
OM2VL(@OM8A)   Single Op HP   3602011-10-15 15:32:10
During in my pileup on 15m made contact with a several AZ station. This time I
dont found stations in QP only CQ on 15/20m . Thanks a lot for the nice
contact. Maybe next year seriously taking part in AZQP.

pse QSLs for my USCty Award.

regards, LAci OM2VL
KN4Y   Single Op LP   3342011-10-18 18:46:52
Worked all the station I heard on CW. Heard no Mobiles.